[Dark_Necrofear™]

Im of the notion NO!

Im a bit curious about this and the views of you guys.Does it work?I have been reading a few boards today about the GB Davis Cup Loss.People have said that Lloyd doesnt inspire the team and that he doesnt offer any tactical advise.I bring this up because he is on court during the matches.

Then we have the drubbing clones of the WTA.I have seen a few matches at some tournaments where the coaches are allowed to be on court and offer advise.Most of the time the player thats losing is the one the camera focussing on and the player doesnt really listen to what the coach is saying because more often than not the player on the other side of the net is either zoned in or just is playing the better tennis.I often find the advise thats being given a bit futile.

Very few players have the actually need the advise. I look back at some of the players that have received code violations for on court coaching,Sharapova,Nadal,Djokovic,Henin, the advise they would receive would be a bit beneficial becasue they are at the top but how does it work for the others?

Just some thoughts...

[Tenez]

It can work. Watching some matches from the side court will give a different perspective than being on the court. I however think the advice must be rare, simple and short and the most important thing in my view is to let the player stay focused, which is very difficult when someone keeps talking to you.

[Dark_Necrofear™]

11 views 1 reply...interesting!

True Tenez,I agree.Keeping the player focused is the most important.I remember seeing Jankovic getting some on court advice.It was as if the advice was futile.She was getting hammered and still didnt care and lost.The coach was telling her too many things in the break after she had conceded the first set.I guess she couldnt process it all.

I seem to think that rather than talk tennis to the player,especially one in losing situation,calm them down rather than talk strategy.I would be very interested to know what the top caches tell their players.Its a bit of a weird one for me,the rule,the code violation when the coach is in the stands.Sharapova was infamous for getting coaching from her dad but there were times where she was frustarated at him for telling her what to do and getting her the violation.I know Choka will disagree and proclaim her a cheat

It makes you wonder how players with no coaches advuse themselves.Federer is a pirme example here,no one but family to look to.Nadal is joint at the hip to Aunty Toni and Justine is also always joint by the eyes to Carlos.Interesting!

[Tenez]

Dark_Necrofear™, on 08 March 2010 - 07:32 PM, said:

It makes you wonder how players with no coaches advuse themselves.Federer is a pirme example here,no one but family to look to.Nadal is joint at the hip to Aunty Toni and Justine is also always joint by the eyes to Carlos.Interesting!

Yes - This is why I was one of the few then who felt he could get back to the winning path without a coach, when his losses were accumulating. His tennis was lacking confidence but nothing to change in my view. JUst the execution needed to improve and especially the execution on important points. His loss in that AO 09 summed it up best. He had the tennis to beat Nadal but failed to on the day. On a more confident day, he could have won it in 3 or 4 sets. I was hoping he'd find this confidence within and was so glad he did.

Already in Madrid he meant business and in that FO match v Haas where despite playing better tyhan Haas ended up being a point (or so) from being out.

[liam_valid]

On court coaching SHOULD work in theory. If a player is employing the wrong tactics during a match, then the coach should really know what to say to that player to make them realise they need to change tack to try and turn the match around. In reality though it never seems to work

[Tenez]

Execution is so much more important than tactics imo that I feel a coach's job is essentially to provide his player the dose of confidence and relaxation needed to execute well. Once on the court it is almost too late and more importantly you may distract the player's attention.

[NorthernLight]

Tenez, on 11 March 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

Execution is so much more important than tactics imo

They are certainly interlinked. A coach might recommend a change in tactics if the execution of he currently tactics aren't going to plan..

It does indeed also depend on the player's frame of mind. If they are uber-focussed then maybe they won't listen. If they are a headcase, then they might be too distracted to listen too.

I think that players do benefit, otherwise it would have probably been allowed sooner. I still don't like it and hope that they disallow it again.

This post has been edited by NorthernLight: 11 March 2010 - 11:20 PM

[Dark_Necrofear™]

liam_valid, on 11 March 2010 - 06:01 PM, said:

On court coaching SHOULD work in theory. If a player is employing the wrong tactics during a match, then the coach should really know what to say to that player to make them realise they need to change tack to try and turn the match around. In reality though it never seems to work

Yeah it should because the coach is on the "outside" looking into a situation and should have the better insight.The question I have though is that if the player themselves cannot see whats going on oncourt then are they a good player at all? Is a player a good player at all when they are so co-dependant on the coach?

[Dark_Necrofear™]

NorthernLight, on 12 March 2010 - 01:20 AM, said:

They are certainly interlinked. A coach might recommend a change in tactics if the execution of he currently tactics aren't going to plan..

It does indeed also depend on the player's frame of mind. If they are uber-focussed then maybe they won't listen. If they are a headcase, then they might be too distracted to listen too.

I think that players do benefit, otherwise it would have probably been allowed sooner. I still don't like it and hope that they disallow it again.

Totally agree with this. Just look at Azarenka.Also the once promising Vaidisova was also a headcase and used to shout at her coach and dad.